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Mystic isn't a transformation.; title
Topic Started: Feb 5 2017, 07:51 AM (1,164 Views)
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It's the same as base Gohan, just with all his potential unlocked. We don't say Gohan "transformed" after Guru unlocked his power, do we?

Sure, Mystic changed the outline of Gohan's eyes, but that looks more like an artistic choice on Toriyama's part. It's not like the series is all that consistent with eye shapes, anyway (notice how Yamcha's eyes changed after the Demon King Piccolo arc? Or how Mai's changed when she got turned into a kid?). Mystic Gohan's the same as base Gohan and should be considered to be. It's not even considered to be a transformation in-universe.
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Exactly . Gohan just got potential unlocked. His base now has all the power what he coul possibly get at his current level without the use of ssj.
its like the guru's unlock.... he was not transformed

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I've always thought this. It's Movie 13 that started this confusing crap IMO.
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It didn't start anything, Gohan still having the ability to go Super Saiyan was just convenient to the story. Besides, he already mastered Super Saiyan by this point so it isn't farfetched. Him drawing out his max power and above is in his ultimate status.
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Feb 5 2017, 04:28 PM
It didn't start anything, Gohan still having the ability to go Super Saiyan was just convenient to the story. Besides, he already mastered Super Saiyan by this point so it isn't farfetched. Him drawing out his max power and above is in his ultimate status.
It did start it as far as I recall. The manga and even the anime was consistent on it just being his new regular form. Movie 13 changed that by making it look like a transformation.
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Still though, if it's just a base form then why wasn't he using Super Saiyan on top of it against Buu?
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Feb 5 2017, 05:26 PM
Still though, if it's just a base form then why wasn't he using Super Saiyan on top of it against Buu?
He'd gain nothing from it except a very minimal stamina drain.
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It didn't start anything, Gohan still having the ability to go Super Saiyan was just convenient to the story. Besides, he already mastered Super Saiyan by this point so it isn't farfetched. Him drawing out his max power and above is in his ultimate status.
It did start it as far as I recall. The manga and even the anime was consistent on it just being his new regular form. Movie 13 changed that by making it look like a transformation.
I always thought it was just him powering up.
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Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P7.2-3
Context: after Gohan transforms into the ‘mightiest of warriors’
Goku: “It re-really is incredible…It’s super-duper…! Absolutely unbelievable…Your appearance has hardly changed…And you ain’t even a Super Saiyan…Yet you’ve been taken to su-such an extreme…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Hmph, transforming isn’t good. That Super whatever-its-called is the wrong way [of doing things]…”


The manga has spoken!

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Feb 5 2017, 03:47 PM
I've always thought this. It's Movie 13 that started this confusing crap IMO.
Yeah... and I just call him Ultimate Gohan tbh. Mystic is some fan-term I can't quite find the origin for. Still, he's kinda insignificant. He fought Super Boo for all of ten minutes before Gotenks was absorbed, got his a*** kicked, and was absorbed.

Canonically speaking in DBZ, that is.
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It's not a transformation but its something that is utilized with the aspect of a transformation. After the ritual is done, Gohan doesn't step up suddenly stronger than Super Boo. He asks how he uses this new found power of his and he's basically told it's the same aspect as when he turns Super Saiyan. In this regard, Gohan still needs to do something equivalent of a transformation to use that Post-Ritual Power.
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The ritual released everything gohan has. Transformations and anger boosts. This picture explains it well

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s*** is it too blurry?
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It didn't start anything, Gohan still having the ability to go Super Saiyan was just convenient to the story. Besides, he already mastered Super Saiyan by this point so it isn't farfetched. Him drawing out his max power and above is in his ultimate status.
It did start it as far as I recall. The manga and even the anime was consistent on it just being his new regular form. Movie 13 changed that by making it look like a transformation.
Him powering up to his full power aka his ultimate status easily solves that.
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Feb 5 2017, 07:49 PM
The ritual released everything gohan has. Transformations and anger boosts. This picture explains it well

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s*** is it too blurry?
Shoulda picked the larger version of that image.

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Feb 5 2017, 05:54 PM
Chapter: 496 (DBZ 302), P7.2-3
Context: after Gohan transforms into the ‘mightiest of warriors’
Goku: “It re-really is incredible…It’s super-duper…! Absolutely unbelievable…Your appearance has hardly changed…And you ain’t even a Super Saiyan…Yet you’ve been taken to su-such an extreme…”
Elder Kaioshin: “Hmph, transforming isn’t good. That Super whatever-its-called is the wrong way [of doing things]…”


The manga has spoken!

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Oh snap that means Mystic IS a transformation!

"Your appearance has hardly changed" = "It has changed to some degree"

Even in-universe, it was noted Gohan's eyes had changed.

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It's not a transformation but its something that is utilized with the aspect of a transformation. After the ritual is done, Gohan doesn't step up suddenly stronger than Super Boo. He asks how he uses this new found power of his and he's basically told it's the same aspect as when he turns Super Saiyan. In this regard, Gohan still needs to do something equivalent of a transformation to use that Post-Ritual Power.


So in other words, he turned Mystic by transforming. He transformed into Mystic.

So it is a transformation! :o
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